Interviews with Aaron LeBauer About Cash-Based Physical Therapy

In the last few months I’ve been really honored to be interviewed and featured on 3 really awesome blogs talking about the cash pay model of physical therapy. As we all know, it’s not just about the Benjamins, as checks, credit cards, flex spending & health savings accounts are also accepted. This will perhaps be the densest post on my blog to date. There is so much to share, great information for any therapist or practice owner, you’ll just have to go and listen to the interviews below.

I’ve had a lot of fun, as well as dropped a lot of awesome information, in these conversations. All of these interviews are playable from the website links below and available on iTunes as podcasts. I love talking about my practice model as well as the future of physical therapy and helping other therapists become successful. I’ve included links to the interviews and podcasts below.


aaron-lebauer-joe-simon cash practice interviewThe first interview in this series was with Joe Simon of the Private Practice Business Academy. Joe is a Physical Therapist, private practice business owner, practice consultant and the author of Get 30+ Patients In Under 30 Days.

We talked about how I got started in private practice right out of my physical therapy program, the mindset of patients and therapists in the cash based model, how to use the internet and blogs for marketing, the value of physical therapy and my thoughts on where the profession of physical therapy is headed in the future.

Follow Joe on his blog The Private Practice Business Academy, iTunes, Linkedin and Twitter @FitnssTherpyNYC



new wave healthcare jon schumacher private pay physical therapy interview with aaron lebauer 2Next was an Interview with Jon Schumacher of New Wave Healthcare. Jon is a physical therapist and entrepeneur with a huge library of YouTube videos and interest in healthcare technology, which is his current focus. In the past he has featured private practice physical therapists on his blog, so be sure to check out his archives and past interviews for videos and podcasts containing some awesome information for anyone interested in private practice.

A couple of the questions I answer in this interview include: Will cash based physical therapy work in rural areas?  How do I get started? How much should I charge? We also discuss the mindset of cash based therapy and pros and cons of a cash based model.

Follow Jon on his New Wave Healthcare Blog, YouTube, Linkedin and iTunes.




Scott Harmom Cash Based Occupational TherapistThe third and most recent was the interview with Scott Harmon who’s blog is Start A Therapy Practice.

In this interview Scott asks me questions about marketing, designing my website, how I use my website to attract new patients, automatic systems to follow up with discharged patients, technology for scheduling, administrative tasks and what I use for documentation and receipts.

Scott’s is an occupational therapist, private practice business owner, practice consultant and author of Start and Run a Therapy Practice. His blog is for any therapist and “solopreneur” who is interested in starting a therapy based private practice, PT, SLP, OT, Cash or Insurance based. He has some awesome Free resources available for therapists in private practice.

Follow Scott at, Twitter @ScottHarmon7, LinkedinGoogle+ and on iTunes


I really want to thank Joe, Jon, and Scott for having me on their shows and helping to spread the word about cash based and low overhead private practice.

About The Author

Aaron LeBauer

Aaron LeBauer PT, DPT, LMBT started a 100% cash based physical therapy practice right after graduation. He's on a mission to save 100 million people from unnecessary surgery & enjoys helping passionate therapists build successful businesses without relying on insurance.


  • Melissa Kerr

    Reply Reply October 4, 2014

    Here is a question. Say there is a common space multiple LLC’s rent from. One LLC is “cash based therapy” only. A second LLC is traditional insurance based therapy. Can a therapist from one LLC (cash based) contract with the LLC and provide traditional insurance based therapy with the other LLC? Is there any ethical concern or conflict of interest? There is a potential opportunity for multiple disciplines to come together and offer multiple wellness, health and therapy related services in the same general ‘space’. I would like to move forward with my cash based portion with yoga, P.T., etc. but also receive a more steady income with insurance based clients while doing a 1099 situation with another LLC in the space. I hope this makes sense. I am looking for pros/cons….particularly cons. I am trying to learn the ‘business’ side of life—and it is not easy. I am reading as much as I can but I have not seen this proposed scenario. Thank you.

    • Aaron LeBauer

      Reply Reply October 5, 2014

      This is a great question. If I understand you correctly, I don’t think there is or will be any conflict of interest or ethical problems. You are working for yourself and also subcontracting through another company. Both just happen to be in the same physical location. I have a colleague here in town who does just the same. He is an acupuncturist, and by default has a “cash” practice because acupuncture and chinese mediciine are not covered by any insurance in N.C. He sees patients for a 2hr eval and 1hr treatments. He rents a space from a local chiropractor. The Chiropractor also subcontracts him to provide dry needling to his chiropractic patients for 20 min treatments. The chiropractic practice is in-network and accepts all insurances and these patients use their insurance to see the chiropractor and then my friend who is the acupuncturist.
      In this way, my friend, builds his own practice and supplements his income with a steady stream of patients via a contract with the chiropractic practice. Win-Win.
      If you are cash based, you are not bound by any contracts and should just double check your state practice act to be sure you are in compliance with it. Just be sure you are offering a different level of service in your cash practice vs your subcontracting work otherwise you’ll be your own competition.

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